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Monday, March 10, 2014

Romano Cheese

Posted By: ZiLe Ohai - 4:31 AM

If you know the whole story of what happened, you know that Romano is a nut job.




RWNJs Harassing Progressives on Twitter


If you’ve been online long enough, you’ve probably experienced harassment

This is not about a flame-war. This is about right-wingers (RWers) posing as progressives and then intentionally harassing and pitting us against each other.

I’ve been neutral about #UniteBlue. I’ve tweeted many, many times that people should stop fighting about #UB & #CTL (ConnectTheLeft), and progressives should respect each others’ choices to join whatever group they want.

I still believe UniteBlue has done a great job of helping progressives on Twitter find and follow each other.

What would you do if someone used your photo and professional reputation – without permission or consultation – on an inflammatory blog post that had nothing to do with you?

This happened to me.

I asked that my photo and all mention of me be removed. The anonymous blogger refused. 

As you read this, keep in mind that ALL of this happened – and continues to happen – because I simply asked a blogger to remove my photo and all mention of me from her blog that had inaccurate info about me and was used without my permission.

What was written about me was extremely flattering, but it also stated that I created a list that started #CTL. 

I thought she was a progressive, so I used sound conflict resolution methods in communicating with her. She uses WordPress; it would have taken her three minutes to delete my photo and all mention of me.

I spent hours trying to reason with her & some of her friends. Instead, she harassed me the entire day (hours before and after) her mother allegedly died and then for weeks with her crew.

I now know she’s a RW troll who has spent the last several years harassing progressives. There is a crew of several accounts (listed below) who pose as progressives and join her in this. They have many progressive followers who have no idea they do this. 

Also keep in mind that no matter how many sound conflict resolution methods are used, if someone refuses to be reasonable or rational and really wants conflict, there is no hope for resolution. The behavior of these trolls proves they only want conflict.

This group has contacted the employers of progressives, made false reports about progressives to the FBI, and regularly ridicules the appearances and disabilities of progressives, often RTing our photos with insulting remarks or using our photos in parody accounts.

I recently learned that one of them, @DawanAllen, recently released info about a man stalking/threatening @ppact members & other feminists, which caused harm:
Please block this troll who released my DM’s about a man stalking/threatening @ppact members & other feminists>>@DawanAllen #NotBuyingIt

— MaryKate (@FeministArmy) January 14, 2014

Many in this group are former UniteBlue members; some were asked to leave or were blocked. It’s sad that they were able to infiltrate UB to begin with. 

One way they pose as progressives is to relentlessly attack anyone who is critical of their behavior and label them as being against UniteBlue - even when there is evidence to the contrary (as with me), or if those critical of their behavior are UniteBlue members – (many UB members are critical of them).

I don’t understand why UniteBlue doesn’t publicly disavow these RW trolls by name since they are bad for UB and bad for progressives, whom they relentlessly harass and libel – for years – even if their targets ignore them.

They have a website and a few anonymous blogs that are full of lies, don’t show their own hundreds of harassing tweets, and which use the #UniteBlue logo. I won’t link to these; they mine for IP addresses and cause further harm to progressives who visit.

If I owned #UniteBlue, I would demand these RW trolls cease and desist those websites and blogs as well as their targeted harassment of progressives.

I do hope people will tweet this:
! @UniteBlue why do you not disavow these #RW trolls as strongly as possible? https://wholethinking.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=538&action=edit #p2 #UniteBlue

This group claims their libelous tweets and blogs about progressives are protected by the First Amendment, yet when their behavior is exposed with proof, they have tantrums, demand retractions, make threats, and repeat their conspiracy theories that there’s a group out to get them. I belong to no such group.

These RW trolls have been known to photoshop screenshots to make it appear that someone has tweeted something they actually haven’t.

I will not engage them again. The only response I have for people like this is found here, borrowed with permission from the brilliant @pourmecoffee.

This group has harassed and pitted so many progressives against each other, that many who have previously had conflicts with each other have resolved them and come together around their common experiences with this group. So, thanks, trolls! 

I’ve heard from more than 25 progressives who have been relentlessly harassed by this group. They once posted an “enemies list” of over 100 tweeters and journalists – all progressives.

Here is what professional journalists reported regarding the genesis of #UniteBlue & #CTL. You’ll notice I am not mentioned because I had nothing to do with it. 

Here is how @EdieVP communicates with anyone who merely asks her fair questions about #UniteBlue. Given that she was once a beta-tester for UniteBlue, I do wonder if her account has been hacked. 

UniteBlue claims she is no longer a member, yet she maintains UniteBlue lists and UB does not specifically disavow her account and behavior, thus she is followed by thousands of UB members who never see her harassment because she often deletes her worst tweets, and nobody can see all tweets. I never saw her horrible behavior until she aimed it at me in February of 2014.

I tried to reason with the blogger (@SDzzz), but she was irrational & abusive. Then she & her crew tweeted and blogged these lies:

  • That she told me her mother was dying & she needed time to correct her blog post. False: She never said this. She did mention her mother, but never once said she was dying. (She also continued to harass me for hours the day she claims her mother died).

  • That I asked her to remove more than just my photo & all mention of me from her post. False.

  • That I said her blog was a scam or a fraud. False.

  • That I said she was a liar or her “source” was a liar. False. I said it was probably an honest mistake for her to have blogged that I started CTL. I DID later call her a liar after she began tweeting and blogging lies about me for days and weeks. Two different things.

  • That I sent hundreds of unsolicited tweets & DMs to the blogger & her crew. False: I was responding to tweets & DMs they sent me, as I tried to reason with them – before I realized they were trolls.

  • That I deleted my tweets in which I try to reason with her (asking her to remove all mention of me from her blog) & respond to their lies. False. I stand by all of my tweets, which were 99% civil in response to their irrational abuse.

  • One of them lied & said she donated money to a legal defense fund for me, when no such fund has ever existed.

  • This same person lied & said I demanded that she unfollow & block the blogger. False; not my style.

  • There have been many more lies, but these are the main ones.

If these people wanted resolution, they’d stop lying, stop writing anonymous blogs full of lies, admit all the above lies they’ve told, and apologize for them. 

This group actually believes they are justified in harassing people who:

  • disagree with them

  • refuse to hate whom they hate

  • RT someone they hate

  • #FF someone they hate

  • refuse to unfollow or block someone at their request

  • allow someone they hate to comment on a blog

  • stand up for someone they hate

  • question their harassment 

  • confront their harassment

  • expose their harassment

  • ask them not to tag them on harassing tweets to others

I know the real names of five of these people, but I will not post them, as they did to various progressives on their blog post (which also seeks to collect money via credit card).

Unfortunately, Twitter’s policies and handling of harassment are ineffective. Many people are suspended unfairly and many others are able to get away with relentless harassment and even libel, while seeming to not face any consequences from Twitter.

Hundreds of their harassing tweets and DMs have been reported to Twitter, yet none of them have been suspended (though some have been previously banned under different user-names, most notably @DawanAllen).

If you want to ask Twitter to improve their response, please consider tweeting this:
@sippey Twitter must improve handling of harassment w/ guidance from http://bit.ly/1fDPPJY to stop things like http://bit.ly/1hQekGU

I’m not telling anyone whom to unfollow or block; that’s your choice.

These are most of the RW harassing accounts posing as progressives – (some of whom have been banned from Twitter & DailyKos under these and/or other usernames):


  • @EdieVP – (tweets RW tweets & threats – then deletes them to keep posing as a progressive & fool her 1000s of UniteBlue followers)

  • @SDzzz  - (supported Sarah Palin’s candidacy)

  • @Alasscan_  - (supported Sarah Palin’s candidacy)

  • @DawanAllen 

  • @Sin4Luce


These may not be RWers: they are either duplicate accounts of those above or progressives who have been duped. If they are progressives, they should know better than to join in the harassing behavior of those above. Some of these have also been kicked out of UniteBlue.



  • @SurlyAngerBear

  • @CinDeLuuz 

  • @Happyish1

  • @MsMollyLolly

  • @Snarkaroni

  • @BewareTheBeliev

  • @LA_Crystal

  • @cihuamexica

  • @greenmitera

  • @Calee_Bloo

This is a list of DMs & tweets between me and @SDZZZ. Normally, I would not post DMs, but lying harassers deserve to be exposed. I wish I had all of @EdieVPs tweets to me, but when I blocked her, they disappeared.

Also, @DawanAllen has this to say about DMs:
@deniseromano Incorrect Ms Romano. MaryKate DMd me. DMs are not private, Please retract @DrDigiPol #UniteBlue #p2 #1u #FJL #CTL #TopProg

— ZiLe Ohai! (@DawanAllen) March 9, 2014

These began with @SDzzz responding to me asking her to not be abusive to anyone on my timeline. I have bolded my responses to her to help make this easier to read:






Direct messages › with Terra Firma

Terra Firma

I’m not doing this, Denise. She is a liar. She is part of a group that has relentlessly attacked me for a YEAR. The blog was written to

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document what happened when a concerted, organized attack on UB and a dozen “strong” members began. We were doxed as “pedophile supporters”.

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A twitter site using my real name was created asking for my rape. My entire family was threatened when anons were used to advertise my

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address and call out for revenge against me as a rape and pedophile supporter. You have NO concept the hell we’ve been through. So I will

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tell you ONE TIME since you won’t read I AM NOT A PEDOPHILE OR BILL TALLEY SUPPORTER. I DO NOT KNOW AND NEVER KNEW A MAN NAMED JIM ALGER.

Terra Firma

Now let’s end it. You want to associate with liars and vicious people go ahead. I don’t want to associate with people who do. Goodbye.

Terra Firma

Debbie joined them in attacking me months ago and now claims she never did anything. That’s how they paly the game. I was doxed by Trina,

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OsborneInk and OptrollBill. The group includes about 9 people who are still actively stalking and harassing. Recently they doxed three more

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women. Trina, Optrollbill, and a former convict doxed azmoderate. Osborne has written that three different people are Bill Talley for the

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sole purpose of getting anons and creeps to attack them. This never ended. Now Eileenleft has joined them. None of us would EVER attack her

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son and we can’t figure out where that “proof” is she claims she has. Part of this group are now in a lawsuit for vicious attacks they did

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on others and others have been visited by the FBI. These are people who have been doing this a long time. I’m not their first or last victim

Terra Firma

So when people believe their lies or defend them it just shows how effective they are at destroying people and how proud of it they are.

Terra Firma

Thousands of tweets and other evidence has been gathered over this year. This isn’t over. I have no beef with you.

Terra Firma

Please do not get involved in their game for your own reputation and safety. These people play real life games intended to harm. And please

Terra Firma

do not tell me how this happened or who did what. I lived it, it has been thoroughly researched and documented. You know one side only.

Terra Firma

An honest mistake? Based upon sources that claim to know you and have been longtime supporters. Maybe you should think back and ask yourself

Terra Firma

why people would good intentions would lie to me about you? Keep hammering this. I’m sure you’re making them feel like shit now.

Terra Firma

So, your friends, confidants and supporters are liars now. How very sad and pathetic. I will post an updat when I have time and it will

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cover this topic thoroughly.

Terra Firma

Please choose a stance. Libelous or excused because the sources are your friends who simply make honest mistakes? Which is it?

Vox

your recent question here makes no sense to me. The blog post about me that called me a racist was libelous and untrue.

Vox

whoever told you i started CTL is a completely different matter, and since I have no idea who told you this, I can’t know for sure, but

Vox

I am inclined to believe that was an honest mistake. It doesn’t make sense to me that someone would give me credit for something and say

Terra Firma

What blog post called you a racist? Where is it?

Vox

nice things about me if their intention was to libel me. you can help clear this up by simply telling me who told you i started CTL.

Vox

the post has been taken down. it was put up in March of 2012 when my father was dying.

Terra Firma

They gave you credit for starting a movement which became CTL after your health declined. Now maybe you didn’t intentionally try to organize

Vox

the post was put up bc I was struck by all the bullying & harassment on twitter, and I began tweeting about harassment when i had the energy

Vox

bc that is my area of expertise and what I used to work with before i became too disabled to work any longer.

Terra Firma

dems and all of it is just a dream on the part of your supporters,

Vox

one woman decided that bc I pointed to 3 examples of people on twitter who were harassing others that I was a racist bc the 3 people were

Vox

all people of color. except that i had no knowledge of what their races were and it was impossible to tell from photos & twitter handles.

Terra Firma

Apparently at some point in time you possessed clarity and expressed intent. Are you saying it was all a coincidence?

Vox

so it had nothing to do with racism, and she now acknowledges that and has apologized. she blamed her libel of me on Shoq.

Vox

whoever gave me credit for starting CTL is mistaken. as I’ve said repeatedly, i’m pretty sure CTL existed before I even joined twitter.

Terra Firma

I’m just trying to understand the motives of your supporters whom I believed really cared about you and became blatantly misinformed by

Vox

I had absolutely nothing to do with starting CTL. NOTHING. i’ve used the hashtag like hundreds of others, but i had nothing to do with

Vox

starting it.

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actions you were taking at the time. Yes, it’s all very confusing, indeed.

Vox

I thought I made this very clear last night and that you understood this.

Vox

why does there have to be a motive? and why do you call them “my supporters”? you can help me answer these questions right now by simply

Vox

telling me who told you i started CTL. why is it so hard for you to understand that whoever told you this didn’t have a motive but probably

Terra Firma

As I said, your statements will be posted to clarify. However, I think readers should be shown the process of this discussion because I

Vox

more likely had wrong information? people get wrong info ALL THE TIME. even professional journalists have to issue corrections regularly.

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would like their opinions on it.

Vox

it happens.

Terra Firma

I’m not going to tell you my sources.

Vox

Who told you I started CTL? i think I have a right to know.

Terra Firma

As stated before there will be a correction based on discussions between you and me and the evolution and impetus of this “debate”.

Vox

your “source” gave you erroneous information. I thought you cared about the veracity of info bc of what you experienced.

Vox

I don’t view this as a debate but as a discussion.

Vox

So what do you think? Do you think your source lied to you or do you think they just made a mistake?

Vox

I have no idea what you mean by this: “at some point in time you possessed clarity & expressed intent. R u saying it was all a coincidence?”

Vox

can you please explain what you mean by that bc it makes no sense to me. thanks.

Vox

if someone told me something and I wrote a blog post based on it and then was told the info I was given was wrong, i would say who told me

Vox

this isn’t about state secrets. i really don’t see why your “source” needs to be protected. i’m not angry or going to do anything to them.

Vox

what I am is curious as to why anyone would say something the is so untrue. i’m guessing whoever told you this was told this by someone else

Vox

i’ve seen untrue rumors on twitter about many things. very often they begin with a simple misunderstanding or assumption.

Vox

all it takes for such a misunderstanding or erroneous assumption to take on a life of its own is for one person to believe it w/o checking

Vox

out whether it’s true and then repeat it or write a post about it.

Vox

I think that if someone is going to say something about anyone, they should either confirm it with the person it is said about or have solid

Vox

proof. this is a basic tenet of journalism. I know that not everyone is a journalist, but when someone blogs, they have responsibilities

Vox

all u had to do was send me 1 tweet or DM to ask me if it was true that I started CTL, and in one tweet, i would have told you “no, i did’t”

Vox

seems to me that you chose to believe something someone told you. i have no reason to believe you or that someone had bad intentions.

Vox

what I do not understand is that given that you yourself were a victim of people saying untrue things about you, why you would not check on

Vox

information that was given to you – even if it was flattering information – before posting it. bc I’m guessing you would not want to do to

Vox

anyone else what was done to you – even if you did it by mistake bc you believed something someone told you.

Vox

I think most people have good intentions. there are only problems when people repeat false information.

Vox

there are also problems when people take false info & go nuts w/ it – making all kinds of erroneous assumptions, like Trina did.

Vox

A rational person would not assume that bc someone is a member of UB that they support pedophiles or know them just bc the UB people

Vox

unknowingly had Bill Tally as someone on their board. I’m sure if the UB people had known about that, they wouldn’t have invited him.

Vox

that was just an unfortunate mistake and it’s entirely understandable. most pedophiles hide the fact that they’re pedophiles.

Vox

I don’t think the UB people thought they had to pay hundreds of dollars to fun a background check on people who wanted to be on their board

Vox

what I do not understand is given that you must understand that there are thousands of members of UB & it’s impossible for them to all know

Vox

each other & that just bc someone follows someone does not make them a supporter, confidante or friend – WHY you would keep repeating that

Vox

the idea that anyone’s followers are their confidants and friends. there are people who have wanted to follow me for various reasons & I’ve

Vox

had to block them. most of us have had this experience. sometimes it’s a troll or a stalker. sometimes it’s someone who thinks they have a

Vox

crush on you. people can say they’re a friend or supporter and it might be entirely untrue. this happens.

Vox

If you’re going to use the journalistic concept of “not revealing your sources” you should have also used the journalistic concept of

Vox

checking to make sure what you wrote was true by simply asking me directly.

Vox

if you do have proof that Debbie Caplan harassed you, I would like to see it, bc I do not want to follow harassers.

Vox

but I do require solid proof before I’m going to block someone bc I know that misunderstandings and mistakes happen all the time on twitter

Vox

It seems to me that if anyone is against harassment & bullying, they would take every precaution to make sure they’re not engaging in it

Vox

themselves and are not making the same mistakes that were made when false information was spread about them.

Vox

If it’s true that there are lawsuits and FBI investigations about the cyber harassment that went on, then it’s even more important to be

Vox

sure that what one says, tweets or posts is absolutely true, by checking with primary sources instead of relying on secondary sources

Vox

which can easily be wrong.

Vox

also, I will add that I’ve also been harassed by a number of people you listed at the end of your post. not all of them, but several.

Vox

in some cases I did try to have discussions with them to try to understand why they assumed what they did about me & were harassing me

Vox

again – this goes back to a group of people who were harassing me & others bc they were friends w/ Shoq & others – way before UB existed

Vox

sometimes it was possible to have discussions and resolve misunderstandings. other times it wasn’t. some people are capable of the

Vox

critical reasoning skills required to resolve a misunderstanding or conflict and others aren’t.

Vox

when I encounter people who are incapable of engaging in sound discussion leading to conflict resolution, I feel very sad for them.

Terra Firma

I have explained why you were not contacted. If you’re going to embrace the concept of libel you should do a more thorough study of the

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material at hand. As I said, I will show readers your thoughts on this. It has existed for months and I am not currently able to give you

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instant results. The fact that you refuse to question the motives of people inciting you against me at this time speaks volumes.

Terra Firma

Not everyone shares your idea of following just for the sake of following a few tweets. I would not intentionally follow someone who was

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vicious simply because they once said something nice. You’re entitled to your way of using twitter but you have very respect for those who

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follow you, respect you or support you and that is a big difference between us. I don’t play twitter for the numbers. The old rules of big

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follower counts offer spam block protection are gone. Twitter adjusts it’s spam policies constantly and it’s easier than ever to bring a

Vox

I’m not saying what you did was libel. I clarified that when I was talking about libel, I was talking about the other blog post by someone

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suspension. It’s all gamesmanship. I’m perplexed that you find being credited with starting a political movement that your supporters admire

Vox

else as an example of how easily it is for wrong information to be posted. it happens all the time. many people read the blog post by that

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is something offensive. Is this because EileenLeft has objected?

Vox

other person and those who know me said to themselves, “this doesn’t sound right at all; Denise isn’t a racist”. others, sadly, chose to

Terra Firma

OK. Thanks for clarification.

Vox

believe that post and that is how incorrect info spreads every day.

Vox

I’m not sure what you mean when you say you will show readers my thoughts on this.

Terra Firma

I understand how those things happen. But this is a relatively minor point. You are not the leader of CTL. You encouraged and apparently

Vox

all you have to do is remove all of what you wrote about me.

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inspired others, which they in turn respected and credited you with.

Vox

I have learned from having been an HR executive and having had to investigate many, many claims of harassment and mistreatment in

Vox

workplaces that it’s not a good idea to decide to be for or against anyone unless I have proof. I’m giving you the same benefit of the

Terra Firma

I will not remove all of what is written. I will review it with a fine-tooth comb when I have time to do justice to this debate and subject

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matter. You will have to be patient.

Vox

doubt i’m giving others. THAT should speak volumes. Ever since this conversation began last night, i’ve had people tell me to not engage

Vox

with you bc of their experiences with you. But I know that most experiences someone has with someone are bc of how both people handled the

Vox

interaction, and many times, people don’t handle misunderstanding or conflict very well. I’m not going to be against you bc someone tells me

Terra Firma

No, you’re not giving me any benefit of doubt because you have made many excuses to review the blog, Eileen’s tweets or anything else.

Vox

to just like i’m not going to be against someone else bc you tell me to. Unless someone shows me solid proof of why I should be against any

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one, i’m going to give someone the benefit of the doubt.

Terra Firma

I’m sure you’ve had many tell you to block me and not engage. You fail to understand this was planned and the expectation was to use you

Vox

please do not assume you know why I follow anyone. I follow people who are progressives bc I believe progressives need to be united &

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to fight their war and so far they’ve succeeded. You don’t have enough information to make some of the judgments you’re making.

Vox

effective to share important information and elect strong progressives. I also follow people & orgs I learn from.

Vox

I also follow people who have said horrible things to me but we’ve been able to discuss those things & resolve misunderstandings.

Vox

this is important to me. i know that people often do not handle misunderstanding or conflict well but when given a chance to calm down

Vox

and be rational and make the choice to be civil, most things can be worked out, if all involved are willing to communicate with civility &

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also be reasonable.

Vox

I never said I found being credited with starting CTL offensive. I do not find it offensive. it’s very flattering. but it’s simply untrue, &

Vox

I am not comfortable being credited for something I didn’t do. I already explained all of this to you last night.

Vox

This has nothing to do with Eileen Left or anyone else objecting. I was told about the post, i read the post, i couldn’t find a contact on

Vox

the post, so I tweeted and asked if anyone knew who wrote the post, and then later in the day, it occurred to me to try to do a search on

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twitter for sdouzz which was on the blog post. then I tweeted you. i am not comfortable being given credit for something I didn’t’ do.

Vox

If I encouraged or inspired anyone, it had nothing to do w/ me creating CTL, bc I didn’t create it. I had absolutely nothing to do w/ it in

Vox

any way at all, ever.

Vox

There is absolutely zero reason for me to even be mentioned in your post, none of it has anything to do with me, and I don’t want my name

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or photo on that post. I think this is a reasonable request.

Vox

what judgements do you think I’m making that are erroneous?

Vox

I think it’s good that someone told me about the blog post. I have a right to know if someone writes something about me.

Terra Firma

I thought your blog was excellent, but I’m beginning to see what you really object to is being mentioned on a blog that shows what kind

Vox

And i have a responsibility to let someone know if they’ve written something untrue about me, even – especially – if it gives me credit for

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something I didn’t do.

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of friends you have and that’s a different matter entirely. In the time it has taken you to write all of these DMs and the many tweets last

Vox

what you just said makes no sense to me at all. your blog post doesn’t show “what kind of friends I have”. it says something untrue about me

Terra Firma

night, you could have read for yourself the purpose of the blog but you refuse to do so. health issues don’t apply as prohibitive, it seems.

Vox

I have spent a long time engaging you in conversation bc it’s important to me to be civil, reasonable and fair. I am replying to you & also

Vox

doing my best to correct erroneous assumptions you keep making. you just did it again. please do not assume that you know what i’m capable

Terra Firma

No one has hidden the blog from you or anyone else. It has been distributed often on twitter by many people. No one assumed you didn’t know.

Vox

of on any given day regarding my health. this conversation with you has taken a lot of out of me, but I have not told you that I won’t

Vox

continue bc again i believe in civil discussion to clear up misunderstandings, even when it’s exhausting.

Terra Firma

Look at the dates. You’re acting as if this blog was just written. I have every right to question the motives of people contacting you at

Vox

i didn’t say you hid the blog from me. when you make statements like this, it prolongs the conversation unnecessarily.

Vox

I don’t follow your blog. there are millions of blogs. i had no idea your blog existed.

Terra Firma

this time about it, just when a new hate campaign has been launched by my detractors. I really question why you refuse to see that.

Vox

i saw the dates. i’m not acting like the blog was just written. i’m acting like I just learned about the blog, which I did, yesterday.

Vox

here’s what you don’t seem to understand. You have had your experience and based on that, you have certain suspicions. I have have my own

Terra Firma

Maybe I’ll do a count of the times I have told you there will be a revision and you come back again and again.

Vox

experience, which is different than yours – and so I do not share the same suspicions you do. i also have chosen to handle conflicts &

Vox

misunderstandings by trying to have civil conversations with people instead of just blocking them, telling them to go away or telling others

Vox

to block them. there have been times when I have had to tell people to go away or block them, but i try not to do that unless i have to

Vox

I am communicating with you even though it’s very tedious to do on twitter and via DM (bc of the format) bc I know you were unfairly

Vox

victimized and I feel for you. Also, because AZModerate told me some of what you went through, and he is a dear friend & I respect him.

Vox

but honestly, you keep making the same statements repeatedly that I’ve already responded to. I’ve had to tell you multiple times that I did

Vox

not start CTL and had absolutely nothing to do with it. I’ve had to tell you multiple times why I object the blog post. You keep coming up

Vox

with your own imagined ideas of why I don’t like your blog post or don’t want to be mentioned, and none of what you come up with is based

Vox

in fact or anything I’ve said. I would think that after what you went through, you would know better than to make assumptions about others

Vox

and then state them as facts. I am trying to be very patient in this discussion with you. today I asked you politely to not send tweets

Vox

like the one you did to someone, and you tweeted to me “go away”. this is not being civil. you have been uncivil to me several times during

Vox

this conversation, and I have chosen to overlook those and stick to the point, which is that I had nothing to do with CTL.

Terra Firma

I have to no problem making it abundantly clear you did not create CTL. I will not, however, be pushed into a situation that implies I lied

Vox

If you read our entire twitter and DM conversation, you’ll see that what makes it long is that you keep saying things that I’ve already told

Vox

you aren’t true. I never said you lied, and I never implied that you lied. I have repeatedly said that I think you just got bad information

Terra Firma

on my blog. That will not happen. What I write is based on documented evidence and in your case the word of people you don’t realize you

Vox

that happens to people all the time. that’s why it’s important to check your info with a primary source (the person you’re writing about)

Vox

obviously you’ve now learned that someone just saying something about some one is not “documented evidence”. again, this is shocking to me

Terra Firma

vouch for as honest and trustworthy. You have become part of game whether or not you realize it and this will be done properly or not at all

Vox

that you are someone who was horribly harassed by people who chose to say untrue things about you w/o bothering to check what was true 

Vox

WHY do you keep saying I vouch for people? You refuse to tell me who your source is. I cannot vouch for someone I don’t know.

Terra Firma

No, documented evidence is physical evidence and it is plentiful on my blog. Your issue was background based on the veracity of people you

Vox

I have not given you a list of people I vouch for. So you cannot say I vouch for anyone. you keep doing this, and i can’t keep having this

Vox

conversation and saying the same things to you over and over again. just because i follow someone does not mean i vouch for them or that

Terra Firma

claim are honest and trustworthy. I know the difference. Do not imply my blog is full of erroneous documentation because that is false.

Vox

they are my friend or confidante. the same is true if someone follows me. lots of people follow me whom i do not follow back. i shouldn’t

Vox

have to explain this.

Vox

No, what you wrote is based on someone you spoke to and I don’t know who that is, so I cannot claim that person is honest & trustworthy

Terra Firma

Because I know who the sources are. I see who you support and defend. Those two things together make for an interesting observation.

Vox

please read what your’e writing to me. you refuse to tell me who said I created CTL. I have never told you i vouch for anyone. yet you keep

Vox

insisting that I have vouched for someone that I have not vouched for.

Terra Firma

And you’ve made your intentions clear that you intend to harass me into taking immediate action. You have just used up my time. Bye for now.

Vox

I believe I’ve told you that I consider EileenLeft a friend. i’ve also said AZmoderate is a friend. I don’t believe I’ve said anyone else is

Vox

a friend or a confidante. you keep insisting on forming your own erroneous conclusions despite me telling you that you’re mistaken.

Vox

i’m not harassing you. i’m trying to correct incorrect conclusions you keep coming to. You’re not being reasonable or rational.

Vox

I have been more than generous with my time and energy, and you have not been rational or reasonable. and you’ve also been uncivil which

Vox

I’ve chosen to overlook for the sake of coming to some kind of good resolution, but I am exhausted, and cannot do this with you anymore.

Vox

It is really very simple. You’ve written untrue things about me on your blog, and you should remove them. A person of integrity would simply

Vox

do that. If someone told me I had something untrue on a blog, I’d remove it as soon as I could. i’m astonished that you’ve had untrue things

Vox

said about you by people who didn’t bother to check their facts and that you would engage in the same behavior. it doesn’t matter that

Vox

what you wrote about me was complimentary; it’s still inaccurate and untrue. Anyone with integrity wouldn’t take credit for something they

Vox

didn’t do.

Terra Firma

LOL Fishing expeditions don’t work on me, Denise. Tell your friends they’ll have to find another way.

Terra Firma

You’re astonished that after months I don’t jump blindly at your demands? That can’t be serious.

Vox

again: this is just me asking you to do the right thing and correct misinformation. this has nothing to do with my friends.

Vox

You need to stop conflating the word “friend” with followers.

Vox

You’ve had enough energy to repeatedly insist that I really was part of CTL. and to repeatedly make erroneous assertions even after I have

Vox

patiently explained to you why your assertions and assumptions are incorrect. I have done so with civility.

Vox

When someone tells you that they didn’t’ start a hashtag that should be good enough evidence for you to remove your incorrect info.

Vox

You’re not a journalist; if you were, you would never have posted something so untrue.

Vox

and you would have contacted me, the primary source, to check the info before posting it.

Vox

so this “protecting your sources” schtick is just silly. journalists get to protect sources. you’re not a journalist.

Vox

and for you to insist that I’m vouching for some imaginary person for whom I have not vouched is just more irrationality from you.

Terra Firma

You are haranguing me and writing a blog post with the kind of accuracy you demand is not a casual endeavor. Surely, you appreciate that.

Vox

Again, you’re mistaken. I have used wordpress. All you have to do is sign in, delete all mention of me, and you’re done.

Terra Firma

I am not the irrational one in this or last night’s convo.

Vox

that would be the honorable thing to do. there is absolutely NOTHING in your blog post that has anything to do with me.

Vox

The only accuracy I ask for is that you remove all mention of me and my photo from your post, bc I have nothing to do with any of it and I

Terra Firma

No, that is not all there is to it. I wasn’t born yesterday. Full delete? Want to delte your blog? I’m sure someone somewhere disagrees with

Vox

never have had anything to do with it. it’s very simple. Just delete all mention of me. it would take you less than a minute.

Terra Firma

what you’ve written. You’re being unreasonable.

Terra Firma

*delete (for clarity)

Vox

my blog has nothing to do w your blog. I didn’t say you had to delete your full post or your blog. I asked you to delete all mention of me

Vox

again, i have to explain what I’ve said to you about three times. I don’t know why.

Terra Firma

You know better than this. You may think this a clever way to do a favor for Eileen but it will not work. The story requires being rewritten

Vox

if someone disagrees with what I’ve written, that is fine. but I have not written anything that is factually inaccurate about someone else.

Terra Firma

since you have publicaly confronted me and called me a liar.

Vox

you do know the difference between those two things, don’t you? i’m beginning to think you may not understand there’s a difference.

Terra Firma

For parts of my blog to simply disappear would appear that I agree with you or that I intentionally print false material. Will not happen.

Vox

I have not publicly confronted you or called you a liar. For the 5th time, I don’t view you as a liar. I DO think you got wrong info from

Vox

someone who probably didn’t realize they had wrong info & unfortunately, you didn’t check with me first to ask if it was true. that’s a

Vox

mistake, not a lie.

Vox

For the third or fourth time, even journalist like Rachel Maddow get things wrong in reporting & it is normal for them to issue a correction

Vox

it happens to almost everyone who has a blog. it doesn’t mean someone is a liar. it just means a mistake was made.

Vox

I don’t think anyone is going to think you intentionally print false material if you simply say that your source was wrong.

Vox

you don’t even have to say that you failed to confirm what your source(s) told you with the primary source (me). or you can. I don’t care

Vox

but anyone with any integrity would care primarily that for many months now, something false has been up on their blog & they’d remove it

Vox

I have edited my blog when I’ve learned that I got a fact wrong. it happens to everyone. it doesn’t’ mean you’re a liar. it means you made

Vox

mistake.

Vox

again it is shocking to me that after what you’ve been through with people saying things that aren’t true about you that you would not want

Vox

to correct this immediately. i’m not doing this for anyone but myself. i wish you’d stop with your erroneous assumptions. they are counter

Vox

productive and irrational.

Terra Firma

Please review your your tweets. You have impugned my character and defended the motives of those who have demonstrated animosity and

Vox

No, I haven’t. I’ve been more than patient & civil with you. Now, I’m done. You are irrational & unreasonable. I tried.

Terra Firma

character assassination against me. If you’re going to get involved in their game, you should know the history.

Vox

I will tell you one last time that I had nothing to do with creating CTL at any time, and your blog post is incorrect. I ask you to remove

Vox

all mention of me in that post as well as my photo. I’m not involved in anyone’s game and have no interest in that.

Vox

I’m very sorry for what you went through, but you don’t seem to realize that posting untrue things about someone on your blog and refusing

Terra Firma

Nice try. I stand by what I have said earlier. You will not force me into actions which could cause harm. Thanks for being done.

Vox

to correct them is no better than what was done to you. Please do not contact me again unless it’s to apologize.





 She then tweeted the following: (I’ll write in bold what is actually true)






  1. Denise Romano is accusing me of fraud and saying my blog donations are a scam. You will hear and read MUCH more about this at a later date.

    (I never said either of these things. What I said is that I’m not comfortable with her using my image and untrue statements about me on her blog without my permission – especially since she’s asking people to give her money on this blog).





  2. Denise Romano’s request for “deletion” extended beyond mention of her. She also wants other things deleted that are not about her. #Agenda

    (This is a lie. I never asked her to delete anything other than all mention of me and my photo.)



    @cocktailchatt@dleemar I’ve really had my eyes opened to Denise Romano by her own actions. I had thought she was a nice and decent person.
    (If you look at the things she DMd me the night before she sent this tweet, she didn’t treat me as a nice and decent person). 




  3. @NextRoundup@dleemar I’m not the one doing the nasty DMing, Bill. I have a right to defend myself.

    (I didn’t send any “nasty” DMs; I sent about 8 mutual followers an account of her harassment of me because she began posting lies about me on Twitter).







  4. @dleemar As you know, I fully expected them to take advantage of this time and even tweeted I would show no mercy, since they have none.

    (There is no “they” in this situation; there is only @SDzzz’s imaginary fantasies of people who are out to get her)






  5. @dleemar But oh my! She’s on narcotics recovering from surgery. My mother’s death? Pffft. She’s a bit ruthless and selfish, I would say.

    (Yes, I am on pain medicine recovering from surgery; that didn’t stop her from sending me the crazy DMs you’ve seen above. And her own mother’s death didn’t stop her from tweeting lies about me the day of and after her mother’s death. If she’s going to tweet lies, I’m going to tell the truth).







  6. @dleemar Yeah, she wasn’t harassing me in her opinion. She was just reasoning with me…over and over and over and over and………

    (I would not have had to repeat myself if @SDzzz hadn’t kept repeating her irrational conspiracy theories)






  7. @dleemar And I’m none too happy that Denise Romano is grotesquely disrespecting my mother’s passing. That is deplorable behavior.


    (I stopped tweeting her the moment I saw her tweet that her mother died. She, however, continued to tweet lies about me)






  8. @dleemar And that action was for EileenLeft of CTL. My point: Don’t expect to run a political org behind a secret identity. Unethical

    (An anonymous person, @SDzzz, who has harassed and lied about many good people on Twitter, is complaining about ethics and secrecy.)







  9. @dleemar Vox says I prolonged the convo by not deleting my blog. I told her I would review all the material. She demanded instant action.

    (I didn’t say that’s why the conversation was prolonged; it was prolonged by her continuous irrational insistences that I thought someone lied to her and that if she made the necessary corrections to her blog that people would think she lied – as well as her crazy assertions that I have “vouched for” the person who gave her wrong info, even though I have no idea who that is, because she won’t tell me)







  10. Oh the irony that my blog article including Denise Romano is better for her reputation than her current behavior. What is wrong with you?

    (There has been nothing at all wrong with my behavior. @SDzzz has been tweeting lies about me for days. As long as she does that, I will state that they are lies and provide proof in her own words in the DM’s above).







  11. So Denise Romano has started a whisper campaign via DMs that I harassed her??? By all means, check my TL. Should I post 34 pages of her DM 

    (Sending DMs to 8 mutual followers of a true description of events and proof of @SDzzz’s lies is not a “whisper campaign”; it’s self-defense against her lies)







  12. @LA_Crystal So now she wants my tweets to report me. Guess that will have to work both ways since she sent so damn many

    (There were many tweets because instead of simply apologizing for using my photo and untrue statements about me without my permission on an inflammatory blog, she sent me more than 50 hostile, irrational tweets and about 50 hostile, irrational DMs. I don’t have the tweets because they disappeared when I blocked her).







  13. @LA_Crystal She also claims she’s too weak to bother reading it, so there’s that problem, too. I said patience. She rejected the offer.

    (I am weak. I’m recovering from major surgery. I never said I was too weak to read her blog. I did read her blog the day I learned it existed. There is no need for patience. She knows she does not have my permission to use my photo on her blog, so she should remove it immediately. She also now knows that she has incorrect info about me on her very inflammatory blog post, and it would take her less than one minute to simply delete both, but she refuses, because she has no integrity).







  14. @LA_Crystal I tried to explain her new claims would have to be incorporated and that takes time. She demanded now and to delete. Nope.

    (My claims are not new, since I was never spoken to about the first thing she wrote about me. @SDzzz isn’t a journalist. She doesn’t understand what “documented evidence” means. She doesn’t understand that it’s very bad form to have someone’s photo on her blog without their permission. She doesn’t understand that if she’s going to write something about someone, she needs to go directly to the source for accuracy. A person with any integrity would immediately delete my photo and all info about me, since I have nothing to do with her post.)







  15. @LA_Crystal Claims she has no friends, no supporters, no association w getting dems together, followers don’t mean anything. Very confusing.

    (I never made a list of Democrats, as @SDzzz claims in her blog post. She refuses to believe this and find this confusing, because she isn’t very bright. I never said “followers don’t mean anything”. I said I never vouched for anyone, as she imagines I’ve done.)






  16. @LA_Crystal She denies trying to organize any dems, CTL or otherwise. Like it’s a crime or something bad. I don’t get it.

    (That is correct: I never tried to or did organize any Dems, CTL or anyone. I never made a list. It has nothing to do with whether or not it’s a crime. It’s just true that I never did any of those things. Yet, she doesn’t “get it’. How stupid is this woman?)





  17. Followers don’t mean anything or that you even like each other. Oh really? Not another collector! Oh well: Twitter.

    (I never said “followers don’t mean anything or that you even like each other”. I said that her insistence that her source for her bad information is a “trusted confidante, friend, supporter” and someone I’ve “vouched for” is a ridiculous theory – first- because I have no idea who she’s talking about, second – because I have not vouched for anyone and third – because she’s conflating the term “follower” with the terms “friends and trusted confidants” A rational person does not do these mental gymnastics.)






  18. Oh…you start this crap, make demands and now you want to report me? Typical. You’re really showing what you are

    (Yes, I’m showing that when you are hostile, abusive to me and others on my TL, when you lie about me, when you refuse to remove my photo that you’re using without my permission, when you refuse to remove untrue things about me from your inflammatory blog, I will report you, stand up for myself, and reveal your lies.)









  19. You are not the only person alive with personal issues at the moment.
    (I am very aware that everyone has personal issues. That’s why I tweet about the importance of civility in communication,which @SDzzz doesn’t know how to do very well or doesn’t care to do. She expects it to be given to her, but she isn’t very into giving it to others. She likes to believe the crazy theories in her head.) 







  20. I can no longer respond to a certain person unless I apologize. Because her friends lied to me? Or did they? Silly and not going to happen.

    (It’s true, after the crazy DMs she sent me – above – I could not take anymore of her crazy & told her to not contact me again unless it was to apologize. See how she simply cannot accept that she got wrong information because she failed to simply communicate with me directly before she published her erroneous post about me? See how that’s not her fault? See how she thinks someone lied to her or maybe I’m lying to her now, because she just can’t believe that someone just made an honest mistake?)









  21. @deniseromano 34 pages of DMs and dozens of tweets between. You have my answer. I see what you did on your TL. You are disingenous.

    (Yes, read all of our DMs above. And you’ll see why there were so many. I’m not disingenuous. It’s nice that she tries to make herself feel smarter by throwing that word around, but she obviously doesn’t know what it means.)






  22. @LA_Crystal No, sorry that was unclear. I told her privately I would not comply w/ being harangued or go along with a game to discredit me.

    (Read her DM’s. I did not harangue her. She has crazy theories that she will not let go of. There is no “game” that she imagines to discredit her. She has already discredited herself. She wrote untrue things about me on an inflammatory blog post. What else is untrue in what she wrote about so many people? Shame on her.)






  23. @deniseromano Please stop. I don’t want to block you. 34 pages of DMs. Just stop what you’re doing. It’s enough.

    (At the time that she tweeted this, I wasn’t doing anything except responding to lies she was tweeting about me. She seems to think she can lie about and harass people without any consequences. Wrong!)












  24. Very curious. Why would people who claim longtime admiration for someone blatantly lie abt them? A lot of convolution in this latest twist.
    (Here she is with her crazy conspiracy theories again. She can’t imagine why her “source” gave her wrong information or why she was stupid enough to post it without just checking with me first. She again insists that someone lied to her instead of acknowledging that someone probably just made an honest mistake. She thinks this is convolution, when all the convolution is actually in her head). 






  25. Here’s a quick message to those who claim they admire and support Denise Romano…she says you lied to me. Sources, you know who you are.

    (I never said anyone lied, and she knows this. The DMs are above. I said over and over and over again that I think it was an honest mistake.)







  26. What will make a fascinating footnote is how Denise Romano distances herself from her own loyal followers. Her supporters lied to me? Sad.

    (I never distanced myself from anyone. I have over 11,500 followers. I don’t know them all personally. I have no idea who her “sources” are. She refuses to tell me, because part of her crazy fantasies include her journalism career. I never said anyone lied to her. This is her fantasy. The DMs prove this and so do the tweets if anyone knows how to get them).






If she continues to post more lies, I will post them here, as long as I have the energy to do so. I hope she gets the mental health care she obviously needs.





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6 thoughts on “RWNJs Harassing Progressives on Twitter”







  1. I’m sorry, but Denise? Has it ever occurred to you that she’s lying about everything, not just you? Why would she selectively lie — only about you — on the day of her mothers death? It seems a logical fallacy to assume she’s telling the truth about other things. It’s very hard to judge a persons character over 140 characters.

    I just don’t get why you think she’d SUDDENLY a liar and manipulator, out of NOWHERE. When logic would tell you that maybe, jsut maybe, she’s been lying and making up conspiracies all along.







  2. Georgia: Of course that has occurred to me. I didn’t say she selectively lied. I have no idea what else on that post is or isn’t’ true, and I don’t have the energy to research it.

    Of course it’s fair to question what else she wrote if she doesn’t know how to properly research information before she posts it. She obviously isn’t a journalist; if she were, she would have contacted me to confirm what she was going to write about me before she posted it. She never contacted me before posting it.

    I do know that what she wrote about me creating a list and starting CTL is false. I told her I think she just got bad information from whomever she spoke to – which she refuses to tell me. I told her I was not accusing her of lying but that she did post false info, and so she needs to remove it.

    My understanding is that she created this post months ago. I only learned about it on 2/19/14, the day before her mother’s death.

    I never said I assumed she was telling the truth about other things.

    I also have not said that I “suddenly” think she’s a liar. I didn’t even know she or her blog existed until 2/19/14.







  3. @sdzzz’s garbage doxicshocksyndrome blog is rife with lies, malicious fantasies & disinformation. For just one thing, she posted fake screenshots purporting to be from me for the purpose of incriminating me; and I’m one of those who was “visited by the FBI” because associates of hers made false reports of wrongdoing by me to said Bureau.







  4. @sdzzz doesn’t check her doxicshocksyndrome posts for truth or accuracy, or contact her subjects for their input before posting, because if she did she’d have nothing to post. She doesn’t care one bit whether anything she says or posts is true. She just wants page views & donations.







  5. @SDzzz is not a victim of anything. She is one of the most vicious and libelous failtrolls I have ever seen on Twitter. Remember what she and her little wolfpack did to Trina Cuppett right after she discovered who Bill Talley was? Remember how I wrote a burn notice for Talley? He had pleaded guilty to possessing images and video of children being raped, then been named to the board of Unite Blue. I didn’t even mention Unite Blue in the original article, but for the next several weeks @SDzzz kept screaming that I was attacking her Twitter club, and so my updates began to report on what she and her friends were doing. When @OpTrollBill appeared, they blamed a Twitter cat for operating a sinister conspiracy against their Twitter club, but this was all just smoke to distract from what they were doing. Finally, Bill Talley was sentenced to a year in prison, putting an end to this stupidity…or so I thought.

    In fact, @SDzzz didn’t stop her weird campaign to convince the world that she was an innocent victim of a vast, anti-Unite Blue conspiracy. Neither did her friends. It’s all bullshit: they were pals with Talley, attacked people who told the truth about Talley, and have never stopped trying to get revenge on those who spoke out against Talley. She and her friends have made false reports to the FBI, contacted employers, operated countless sock puppets, written defamatory nonsense in their blogs, and constructed an elaborate fantasy reality on the premise of victimhood, but they are not victims at all. They are perpetrators, and they are friends of a perp, and they hope that their perp buddy will return to Twitter soon to redeem their prior faith in his innocence, at which point they will conveniently forget that they ever denied him.

    They spend most of every day evangelizing their obscure, stupid narrative in preparation for Talley’s Second Coming, but deny that any of it is about Bill Talley. Because Bill Talley is YOUR FAULT! CONSPIRACY!!! AGAINST UNITE BLOOOOOOOOOOO…. See how that works?

    @SDzzz is a lunatic projecting a false victimhood to rationalize her narcissistic RAEG. She hangs out on Twitter with other narcissistic, hypocritical lunatics to obsess and RAEG. Together, they have a very stupid story that makes no sense and is not backed up with facts or a coherent timeline. They enact this fantasy in the real world whenever they can, then gloat about scoring a “win.”

    @SDzzz is not a victim, she is a creep who hangs out with creeps.







  6. Matt Osborne is one of many who have been harassed and subjected to targeted abuse by ALL these troll and the socks they create on an almost daily basis now. I’ve tried t show people, by using the trolls’ own tweets, how they lies and promote false assumptions. I will not defend myself against their accusations here. I won’t play their game anymore. I’ve done what I can to show the arrogance and conservative mentality of these disturbed men and (mostly) women in their 50s and 60s. If you look in their TLs, they converse almost exclusively with one another. The lazy or otherwise occupied–who see perhaps one or two of these stalkers’ tweets per week may continue to follow them but no one believes them and no one respects them. Thank you for helping to shed light. Even some of my long-term followers couldn’t believe how bad these trolls are until they, too, were attacked simply for conversing with me.Twitter seems t handle reports of bullying with entry-level support and safety people who are constrained by a very vague set of Terms of Service and who respond solely with boilerplate platitudes, as I believe you’ve discovered.




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